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From: snapper
Posted: 4 May 2008
Yes ot No to Lisbon
I got the leaflet for voting YES so I went for reasons to vote no I found this and its very interesting

I HAVE'NT decided yet ...


http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=173
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From: johnny
Posted: 4 May 2008
Yes ot No to Lisbon
Be careful snapper or somebody will come on here telling you it has no relevence to Donabate or Portrane and you should'nt be discussing it here.:)


For what its worth I'll be voting YES.
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From: snapper
Posted: 4 May 2008
Yes ot No to Lisbon
haha Johnny I thought of that when I hit post ...


I'll survive "S"

for what its worth I'm voting NO...
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From: beba
Posted: 5 May 2008
Yes ot No to Lisbon
Ireland has reaped so much benefit (?) from the EU that it would be dishonest to vote NO....

Just my opinion.....
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From: Vlad the Impaler
Posted: 5 May 2008
Yes ot No to Lisbon

I'll be voting Yes.

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From: Buzza
Posted: 5 May 2008
Yes ot No to Lisbon
Defintely NO because there has been absolutely no clarification from either the government or pro treaty groups to explain exactly what the significance of voting yes to the treaty is for Ireland. All I have seen or heard are snappy sound bites such as ' voting yes is good for business' or Bertie saying that we would have to be insane to vote no. Well you would have to be insane to vote for something that you don't understand.
I have tried to make some sense of the treaty and it's euro speak gobbledeegook ! 80% of the Irish electorate have no idea as to what it's about either and that's not surprising if you read any of the document itself.
It's not anti european to vote NO - but I feel that it's fundamentally wrong to vote yes to something that you do not fully understand or appreciate the ramifications of a pro vote.
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From: snapper
Posted: 5 May 2008
Yes ot No to Lisbon
Thats my thinking too Buzza, and the fact that we have a vote to say no means a hell of a lot.

I posted a link to a video clip and its worth watching if you have the time
I did'nt see it sll, but I did love the bit where the british MEP speaks out against the new treaty.

Some good reading on MEP Derossa and our Greenparty and the NWO..OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

interesting times my friends...
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From: Vlad the Impaler
Posted: 6 May 2008
Yes ot No to Lisbon

Buzza,

My view would be that if you don't understand what you're voting for, then you should abstain from voting at all.

There is quite a bit of stuff around the internet on the subject. I prefer to do my own research - in that way I don't get vested interests points of view.

For a quick overview though, this link is a good start.

http://www.lisbontreaty2008.ie/lisbon_treaty_overview.html



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From: Dub
Posted: 6 May 2008
Yes ot No to Lisbon
I agree Vlad, if you don't understand it then don't vote or spoil your vote.

I haven't decided yet but traditionally I'm pro Europe.
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From: snapper
Posted: 6 May 2008
Yes ot No to Lisbon
Vlad I;m reading the link you left Thanks, and I'm voting no because of this and some other
" to be decided" after our treay vote of yes or no


Citizens? Initiative
The Lisbon Treaty proposes that a citizens? initiative would allow for at least one million citizens from a significant number of Member States to ask the Commission to bring forward proposals on a particular issue. The Commission would be obliged to consider the proposal. The details of how this would operate have yet to be decided.

To vote yes IMO would be voting blind and a No vote would make no changes, and they can then come back at a later stage when things are more clear and take a vote... Ihope I'm making sense "S"
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