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From: chalky
Posted: 25 April 2010
Banana Republic
"I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore".

I know this forum is for local issues but . . .

Is anyone else feed up with listening to week after week flood of scandals and financial disasters that has become Ireland today.

We have corrupt politician, bankers, clergy, regulators and the list goes on. Does anyone ever go to jail or take responsibility for the havoc they have caused the people of this country.

Right now we are bailing out the banks to the tune of tens of BILLIONs any yet Dublin corporation is closing down the few swimming pools it has.

Why have there not been mass protests on the streets of this country. Why was Joe Higgins the only one to have a protest outside Anglo's offices? Are we really going to sit back and take all this like docile lamps on the way to the slaughter house!!!!

I'm posting this comment because I don't know where else to start, I have scoured the web for signs of anyone orgainsing some sort of debate on the future of the country and there is nothing. . . nothing.

Surely as a people we can not let everything has happened over the last few years just slip by and not demand changes in this country. In the past all the great, the good and the young of this country have had to migrate every twenty years and here we are again. That only means that the status quo is always left unchallenged. Surely to hell if ever there was a time to shout STOP, this must be it.

In the pit of my stomach I know for sure, that unless there are real changes. The golden circle of (politicans, bankers, barristors etc) are fully capable of doing all this again in another twenty years, if not sooner.

I?m not right wing or left wing, like most people I?m somewhere in the middle. I just want to know what do people think, does anyone feel strongly enough to do anything?
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From: JE
Posted: 25 April 2010
Banana Republic
I agree with your sentiments entirely, our country is governed by a bunch of F'ing Fools or is that Fiana Fail both the same to me.

What bothers me most is that I have witnessed this madness go on for close to 10+years with very little improvement in fact the exact opposite has happened it continuley just get worse to the point where we are on the verge of the IMf taking over with the same FF's in charge that have always been there.

Scarier even than that is the fact that everyone just leaves it up to these guys and seems to do nothing like protest or march or anything. Like sheep watching on?

The last large scale protest we seen in modern politics was the anti war protests in london where 1,000,000 marched in protest, what difference did that make - none - so protest as we know is useless.

Our political system is a joke, it cannot be trusted to run anything wihout making a mess, so get out there and start working on some of the 'bottom up' solutions, because you/i would be foolish to wait any longer on the 'top down' soultion to do anything.

So what to do?
Action my friend is the only thing that matters. Get active, join a political movement, join a communtiy group, put yourself out there and don't just go along with it, DONT TALK DO. I have, its what i do in order to stay sane.

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From: Momoto
Posted: 25 April 2010
Banana Republic
I have spoken to friends about this (why, if everyone is so angry, is nothing done in the form of wider protest?)

We came to the conclusion:

1) It's easier to do nothing - easier to have a moan and do nothing then turn up at a protest. Watching TV and having a few beers and the sense of outrage and impotence diminish.

2) We've all got something to lose - most of us have mortgages, careers, kids or all 3. One loses the appetite for getting arrested or beaten up in a large, potentially violent, protest when you have bills to pay and something tangible to lose.

3) It's not ideologically motivating - Do we really care who is running the country? Aren't these "establishment" figures self-perpetuating and more or less the same? Changing the politicians is goings to only briefly satisfy a sense of retribution and I suspect FF are not going to get the beating they deserve in the next election, more of a light spanking.

And no, I'm sorry to say I have never and will never vote FF but nor do I feel vindicated by this because everyone else I voted for turned out to be a sorry disappointment.

Fintan O'Toole, whom I happen to think of as a self-loathing liberal, summed it up best in his article that we are incapable of anything other than "impotent rage".

Bailout has turned us from citizens into serfs
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2010/0406/1224267752939.html



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From: PEGASUS
Posted: 26 April 2010
Banana Republic
Good topic chalky.The leadership of this country is embarrassing.In my own little way I sent an email directly to our leader quasidmodo, and simply asked the question ,''why are you still in office''?just to piss him off.He walks around with his shirt hanging out and talks as if he has a mouthfull of hot potatos .His demeanour when ever he is interviewed leaves me exhausted and depressed .He is a useless sack of you know what and should go back to the bog to offer legal advice to the vegetable heads .Yee ha got that off my chest ,I feel reaaaaaaaal good .
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From: donna bait
Posted: 26 April 2010
Banana Republic
i agree with you burger face is an embarrassment to the country.He probably sits on the steps outside the dail eating his sangwiches and pint of milk for lunch.
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From: Harry Byrne
Posted: 26 April 2010
Banana Republic
Cutting edge political analysis here.
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From: ejb
Posted: 27 April 2010
Banana Republic
I agree with JE. If everyone was as interested in Town Planning as they were in going on the p*ss well we would have superb environment.

Public apathy is what allows all this nonsense to happen. As Mr. Burke said: "All it takes for Evil to persist is for good people to do nothing".

This is the sort of topic suited to a Friday debate / discussion thread.

Do someone else want to pick a topic for this Friday?
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From: chalky
Posted: 29 April 2010
Banana Republic
Bank bailouts protest planned

A national demonstration against bank bailouts is to take place at the D￡il on Tuesday May 11th.

The protest has been organised by the Right to Work Campaign, a coalition which includes political parties, trade unions and community groups.

Among those expected to address the demo, which will begin at the Gardens of Remembrance before proceeding to D￡il Eireann, are Irish Times journalist and author Fintan O'Toole and Professor of Equality Studies at UCD, Kathleen Lynch.

Looks like I spoke too soon, someone was organising a protest after all. We need to send a clear message to the politician, bankers etc and the only way we can do that is by having a huge protest. If the numbers are small on the day (less than twenty thousand), then we loose the right to complain anymore and we might as well leave messers Cowen, Lenihan, Fitzpatrick and Fingleton to run the place.
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From: Vlad the Impaler
Posted: 29 April 2010
Banana Republic

Another - and better - way to send a strong message to the politicians is not to vote for them.

Apparently Brian Cowen's approval rating has gone down to 27%.

But that's what keeps me awake at night.. that 27% of the population still think that the greatest cretin in modern Irish history is worth voting for.

Him and his highness Ahern.

People say 'sure the other crowd are as bad'. Will if they are then vote them out again next time.. and again and again until they start learning accountability.

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From: ejb
Posted: 29 April 2010
Banana Republic
Vlad you have hit the nail on the head there. The worst Minister for Finance in the history of the state and we give him a promotion.
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